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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://woweconomist.com/blog/sayin-goodbye-to-crafting-cooldowns/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 07:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made close to 3k in profit in the last two days just from sharding my VCs and selling the shards. If I'd been able to find more VCs in the last couple of weeks, I could have made more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made close to 3k in profit in the last two days just from sharding my VCs and selling the shards. If I&#8217;d been able to find more VCs in the last couple of weeks, I could have made more.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://woweconomist.com/blog/sayin-goodbye-to-crafting-cooldowns/comment-page-1/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on my server VC sells for 19-22G and LPS slightly higher.
I've been shouting in trade channel to buy VC in big quantity at low prices. The average price i bought are 16G, someone even sold me 60 crystals for 700 Gold.. I was surprised but bought it without hesitation.
Either way I think my avg price of VC will be low enough to make a profit whether the price go up or down in the new patch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on my server VC sells for 19-22G and LPS slightly higher.<br />
I&#8217;ve been shouting in trade channel to buy VC in big quantity at low prices. The average price i bought are 16G, someone even sold me 60 crystals for 700 Gold.. I was surprised but bought it without hesitation.<br />
Either way I think my avg price of VC will be low enough to make a profit whether the price go up or down in the new patch.</p>
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		<title>By: Harald</title>
		<link>http://woweconomist.com/blog/sayin-goodbye-to-crafting-cooldowns/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Harald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

on my realm (one of the oldest EU-PVE) we have the following prices:

1x Void Crystal sells for 19-20g, i even bought some for 18,5g this morning

1x Large Prismatic Shard sells for 22-25g

At the moment i'm buying any Void Crystal under 20g.

I hope it works out as planned. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>on my realm (one of the oldest EU-PVE) we have the following prices:</p>
<p>1x Void Crystal sells for 19-20g, i even bought some for 18,5g this morning</p>
<p>1x Large Prismatic Shard sells for 22-25g</p>
<p>At the moment i&#8217;m buying any Void Crystal under 20g.</p>
<p>I hope it works out as planned. <img src='http://woweconomist.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sid67</title>
		<link>http://woweconomist.com/blog/sayin-goodbye-to-crafting-cooldowns/comment-page-1/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>sid67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your server is like my server, then this change is not a secret.  Prices on Voids have risen from an average of 28g to an average of about 33g.   When the market floods, they still go for as low as 28-30g.  My best guess (and we can only guess) is that the equilibrium price on Voids will be about 37g post-patch and 18.5g for Shards.  

Here is my logic:  
Prior to the patch news, equilibrium price seemed to be about 28g for Voids and 23g for Shards on my server.  

Two shards = One Void
One Void = (Two Shards + One Void) / 2 
One Void = ((23*2) + 28)/2 = 37
One Shard = (Two Shards + One Void) / 4
One Shard = ((23*2) + 28)/4 = 18.5
  
One thing to consider is that lots of people will be stockpiling Voids with the intent to sell them post-patch for a quick profit.  The initial flood on the market will be greatest right after the patch and I suspect you will see very high prices to start, followed by panic and a serious drop in market price as they don’t sell as quickly as expected.  In other words, don’t be surprised if market is like 28-30g on Voids the first week of the patch.  Don’t be one of those guys selling.  Hold.  Or if prices drop low enough – Buy.  You waited until the patch, you can wait till the market achieves equilibrium again.

I’m actually planning to work both ends.  I’m buying at 28-30g and selling about 50% of what I buy at 35g when the market is peaking.  My belief is that’s not much less than what they will sell for post-patch and I’m getting an immediate return of several gold per Void.  When the patch DOES hit, I plan to BUY (hopefully around 30g) after the market gets flooded by panicked sellers.  A week or two later when equilibrium is reached, I’ll just sell it all off again for a tidy profit at around 37g.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your server is like my server, then this change is not a secret.  Prices on Voids have risen from an average of 28g to an average of about 33g.   When the market floods, they still go for as low as 28-30g.  My best guess (and we can only guess) is that the equilibrium price on Voids will be about 37g post-patch and 18.5g for Shards.  </p>
<p>Here is my logic:<br />
Prior to the patch news, equilibrium price seemed to be about 28g for Voids and 23g for Shards on my server.  </p>
<p>Two shards = One Void<br />
One Void = (Two Shards + One Void) / 2<br />
One Void = ((23*2) + 28)/2 = 37<br />
One Shard = (Two Shards + One Void) / 4<br />
One Shard = ((23*2) + 28)/4 = 18.5</p>
<p>One thing to consider is that lots of people will be stockpiling Voids with the intent to sell them post-patch for a quick profit.  The initial flood on the market will be greatest right after the patch and I suspect you will see very high prices to start, followed by panic and a serious drop in market price as they don’t sell as quickly as expected.  In other words, don’t be surprised if market is like 28-30g on Voids the first week of the patch.  Don’t be one of those guys selling.  Hold.  Or if prices drop low enough – Buy.  You waited until the patch, you can wait till the market achieves equilibrium again.</p>
<p>I’m actually planning to work both ends.  I’m buying at 28-30g and selling about 50% of what I buy at 35g when the market is peaking.  My belief is that’s not much less than what they will sell for post-patch and I’m getting an immediate return of several gold per Void.  When the patch DOES hit, I plan to BUY (hopefully around 30g) after the market gets flooded by panicked sellers.  A week or two later when equilibrium is reached, I’ll just sell it all off again for a tidy profit at around 37g.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>András: I have no idea what they will do or how high they will go. I did not recommend doing what you did, so I really cannot give you any advice.

Alwyzbkillin: We are doing our best. We are afraid if we post too often, we will run out of ideas and get stuck posting once every two or three weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>András: I have no idea what they will do or how high they will go. I did not recommend doing what you did, so I really cannot give you any advice.</p>
<p>Alwyzbkillin: We are doing our best. We are afraid if we post too often, we will run out of ideas and get stuck posting once every two or three weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alwyzbkillin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alwyzbkillin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say i love the site.  But you guys need to have more articles.. 1 a week just isn't that good..</description>
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		<title>By: András from Hungary</title>
		<link>http://woweconomist.com/blog/sayin-goodbye-to-crafting-cooldowns/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>András from Hungary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! 

I bought 27 void crystal yesterday, each cost to 31g.
my question is,

how much is the maximum price after patch that i could shell them?

(sry for my bad english)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! </p>
<p>I bought 27 void crystal yesterday, each cost to 31g.<br />
my question is,</p>
<p>how much is the maximum price after patch that i could shell them?</p>
<p>(sry for my bad english)</p>
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		<title>By: miyuji</title>
		<link>http://woweconomist.com/blog/sayin-goodbye-to-crafting-cooldowns/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>miyuji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts on the matter is that on the whole the price of LPS will go down after 2.4.2 and to a small extent the prices of void will go up, but I am not sure that voids will increase in price massively so much as we will see a decrease in the price of shards. Void's primary use after 2.4.2 will be used for shatters as there so few enchants that actually use them.

I am persoally using my shatter cd's as they come up as I bought my voids prior to 2.4 at 16g a pop so they are netting me like a 400% return atm, and I plan on trying to lower my stock of both items. to be honest investing is one thing but you have to remember as we dont know the date of 2.4.2 that unless you have absurd amounts of gold lying around it is better to have your gold in circulation within the ah over and over again rather then buying and holding on waiting for some magical patch date that could possibly be 2 months away.

personally the main issues is when will 2.4.2 hit? does anyone have a timeline on when we should be expecting this patch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts on the matter is that on the whole the price of LPS will go down after 2.4.2 and to a small extent the prices of void will go up, but I am not sure that voids will increase in price massively so much as we will see a decrease in the price of shards. Void&#8217;s primary use after 2.4.2 will be used for shatters as there so few enchants that actually use them.</p>
<p>I am persoally using my shatter cd&#8217;s as they come up as I bought my voids prior to 2.4 at 16g a pop so they are netting me like a 400% return atm, and I plan on trying to lower my stock of both items. to be honest investing is one thing but you have to remember as we dont know the date of 2.4.2 that unless you have absurd amounts of gold lying around it is better to have your gold in circulation within the ah over and over again rather then buying and holding on waiting for some magical patch date that could possibly be 2 months away.</p>
<p>personally the main issues is when will 2.4.2 hit? does anyone have a timeline on when we should be expecting this patch?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure I completely follow your recommendation.  From where I sit right now, I see Void Crystals selling at an average of 40g, where as I pick them up when the price dips to 35g or lower.  With Large Prismatic Shards, I see an average climb toward and beyond 30g a piece (we just got the badge vendor last night) while I buy them during short dips of 25g (or similarly priced 65+ blues).

I'm with you so far as selling off your Large Prismatic Shards now and restocking them under the current reduced price of Void Crystals.  What trips me up is the recommendation against converting all those voids to sell on patch day, then the followed recommendation to... split those into Large Prismatic Shards and sell them... later?  Am I missing something?

Now, obviously the demand for Large Prismatic Shards comes from the high quantities needed for high end enchants, where as Void Crystals are used in smaller quantities. This is coupled with the fact that guilds get far more Void Crystals from Karazhan (for example) than Large Prismatic Shards, and most people have 1-2 pick up members in their instances/heroics (meaning those shards aren't guaranteed guild property, unlike the voids).  The end result is that the majority can currently turn to their guild for most (if not all) of their Void Crystal needs, but they have to pony up most (if not all) of their own Large Prismatic Shards.  Thus the market has lower demand for Void Crystals, and high demand for Large Prismatic Shards.

In the future, however, all of those excess voids are going to hit the market as twice as many shards.  Won't the price equalize, or even tip in favor of the Void Crystals since those non-raiders out there still have to enchant their heroic badge loot, but may not have the vault of a raiding guild to turn to?

My thinking is to follow your first suggestion in dumping those shards on the market NOW and resupplying them with voids NOW, but to hold onto them in the form of voids long enough to see which form comes out ahead.

Again, am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I completely follow your recommendation.  From where I sit right now, I see Void Crystals selling at an average of 40g, where as I pick them up when the price dips to 35g or lower.  With Large Prismatic Shards, I see an average climb toward and beyond 30g a piece (we just got the badge vendor last night) while I buy them during short dips of 25g (or similarly priced 65+ blues).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you so far as selling off your Large Prismatic Shards now and restocking them under the current reduced price of Void Crystals.  What trips me up is the recommendation against converting all those voids to sell on patch day, then the followed recommendation to&#8230; split those into Large Prismatic Shards and sell them&#8230; later?  Am I missing something?</p>
<p>Now, obviously the demand for Large Prismatic Shards comes from the high quantities needed for high end enchants, where as Void Crystals are used in smaller quantities. This is coupled with the fact that guilds get far more Void Crystals from Karazhan (for example) than Large Prismatic Shards, and most people have 1-2 pick up members in their instances/heroics (meaning those shards aren&#8217;t guaranteed guild property, unlike the voids).  The end result is that the majority can currently turn to their guild for most (if not all) of their Void Crystal needs, but they have to pony up most (if not all) of their own Large Prismatic Shards.  Thus the market has lower demand for Void Crystals, and high demand for Large Prismatic Shards.</p>
<p>In the future, however, all of those excess voids are going to hit the market as twice as many shards.  Won&#8217;t the price equalize, or even tip in favor of the Void Crystals since those non-raiders out there still have to enchant their heroic badge loot, but may not have the vault of a raiding guild to turn to?</p>
<p>My thinking is to follow your first suggestion in dumping those shards on the market NOW and resupplying them with voids NOW, but to hold onto them in the form of voids long enough to see which form comes out ahead.</p>
<p>Again, am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: JSG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Says: 
&lt;i&gt;JSG: You mean the tooltip data with the item’s market history? Or a different Auctioneer window?&lt;/i&gt;

I mean the window where you check items from your inventory (which are listed on the left side) and can set prices, split stacks, etc.  The view I like is how it displays other listings of that item in the AH, you can sort the prices, etc.

It would be great to have the exact data display elsewhere.


zoltannyc: thx for the tip, I'll check out AHSearch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Says:<br />
<i>JSG: You mean the tooltip data with the item’s market history? Or a different Auctioneer window?</i></p>
<p>I mean the window where you check items from your inventory (which are listed on the left side) and can set prices, split stacks, etc.  The view I like is how it displays other listings of that item in the AH, you can sort the prices, etc.</p>
<p>It would be great to have the exact data display elsewhere.</p>
<p>zoltannyc: thx for the tip, I&#8217;ll check out AHSearch.</p>
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